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Ted was right
Dec 18^th, 2009, 9:23pm

So on my way home from work I decided to do what Ted said about putting pressure on the shifter and letting off of the gas. It was really awkward. Even more so than you would think. Once I got closer to home I was starting to get it. It actually is amazingly faster. I mean I really noticed it on the street. On the track it will be even faster.

So when you used the clutch you usually pull the clutch in and let the throttle completely off. But if you don't use the clutch the second you start to let off of the throttle the bike shifts (assuming you have pressure on the shifter). So you don't have to let the throttle all of the way off.

When you slightly let off of the gas it shifts then you can pull it wide open again without letting it off fully. Make sense. Try it it is amazing how fast you can take off from a light. Also if you do it fast enough it doesn't load the front wheel another thing that doesn't slow you down.

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Rudgan Senior Member El Senior Member Offline 500 cc is like.... FUC.... Valention Rossi Posts: 319 North West Phoenix Gender:	Re: Ted was right Reply #1 - Dec 18^th, 2009, 11:22pm Thanks - I will try this
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Re: Ted was right
Reply #2 - Dec 19^th, 2009, 12:07pm

Yea its way faster to shift like that. I barely ever use the clutch. Pretty much only from a stop and to down shift. You can even down shift without using the clutch but you need to be aware of your speed when you do it. I've also heard that it saves the life of the clutch which makes sense since you're not always pulling it in and letting it out.

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adrenaline Global Moderator Online Valentino Rossi Fanatic!! Posts: 2194 Tempe, AZ	Re: Ted was right Reply #3 - Dec 19^th, 2009, 2:48pm If you do it right it wont load the front wheel so it is way faster, I might not use the clutch to down shift, but probably not on the track. Clutches are cheap so the little it might save probably isn't worth it if that is the only purpose. But it sure shift fast up. I need to keep practicing because it is still awkward.
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The Mighty J God Member El Senior Member Offline Makita/Rockstar, baby! Posts: 604 Mesa, AZ Gender:	Re: Ted was right Reply #4 - Dec 19^th, 2009, 3:01pm Yeah, I don't like downshifting w/o the clutch, but I do upshifting all the time. I was surprised you hadn't tried that, it's pretty slick. Good to hear you're getting used to it!
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Joe Rocket God Member Offline Arghhh! Posts: 1174 Avondale, AZ Gender:	Re: Ted was right Reply #5 - Dec 20^th, 2009, 11:06pm I do the same as Josh... I have tried down shifting w/o the clutch before and not a fan but I too rarely use the clutch up shifting. You can do it with a car too.
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Re: Ted was right
Reply #6 - Dec 20^th, 2009, 11:46pm

you can get a shift kit that kills the motor for a second when you use the shifter....aka the same affect. Yeah you should try GPshift where your upshifts are when you push down on the shifter..allowing you to shift up coming out of the turns without catching the toe of your boot.

Did Ted say whether it was harder on the transmission?

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Reply #7 - Dec 21^st, 2009, 10:10am

He said that it doesn't hurt the transmission because the transmissions are not like cars. they don't use brass syncro's like in a car. It has rods or tabs that mesh with holes in the next gear. I imagine after a while it may oblong the holes, but Ted says that the transmissions should last the life of the bike. Doing this shouldn't hurt the transmissions.

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gojkors Senior Member Offline CBR1000RR Posts: 426 Mesa, AZ Gender:	Re: Ted was right Reply #8 - Dec 21^st, 2009, 8:34pm This does put additional wear on the shift forks though. Some of the forks have pads on them that can be replaced rather than replacing the whole fork, but you still have to split the case to get to them.
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az cbr 1 God Member El Senior Member Offline Born to Ride Posts: 529 Tempe Gender:	Re: Ted was right Reply #9 - Dec 21^st, 2009, 9:09pm darn, what are you guys learning in those classes! When I first read this post I had no idea what in the world you were saying lol. You guys are too hardcore for me, so glad I can hang around you guys to learn all this new exciting stuff! You guys will have to show me in person the next time we meet up!
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Re: Ted was right
Reply #10 - Dec 21^st, 2009, 9:57pm

gojkors wrote on Dec 21^st, 2009, 8:34pm:

This does put additional wear on the shift forks though. Some of the forks have pads on them that can be replaced rather than replacing the whole fork, but you still have to split the case to get to them.

I am willing to risk it. I can crack the case if need be and the benefits are really noticeable.

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ninjitsu YaBB Newbies Offline Uhmm, Hi! Posts: 24 Chandler, AZ Gender:	Re: Ted was right Reply #11 - May 7^th, 2010, 4:12pm i started doing this after i took his class a few months back. it works great after 3rd gear i find. 1st to 2nd is just bad and 2nd to 3rd i cant seem to do without it jerking the bike a bit. so yea just lift up your foot a bit like your gonna shift.. roll off the throttle pick up the foot and roll the throttle back on.
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Re: Ted was right
Reply #12 - Jul 8^th, 2010, 1:10am

Is this still performance riding 101 ? ? ?

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Power up shifts without using the clutch... Roll Eyes

It is infinitely easier with GP shift...

Down shifts on the other hand... Must use the clutch to be smooth...

If you still want to try to down shift without the clutch, shift after doing most of your braking...

Or get a slipper clutch, if your bike does not come with one...

Luis

PS: Or you guys can get a quick shifter and never worry about letting off full throttle...

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